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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:33 pm
Patience Carter, wounded eye-witness at the center of the action part 1

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Patience Carter is from Philadelphia. According to her story and Instagram account, Patience Carter arrived in Orlando on June 11, and was shot at Pulse nightclub on the first hours of June 12. "The bullet had shattered my femur in my right leg," she said. "And the bullet had went through my left leg."

Patience is the friend of Akyra Murray, who was reported shot and killed. The Murray family story is back here:
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Patience was in surgery on Monday. The next day, Tues June 14, she was rolled out on a hospital chair to explain her ordeal to a large audience filled with cameras.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TiFu6ubSo

I won't comment much on what she said. Her storytelling speaks for itself. I just can't help but point out the comfortable and nonchalant way she described the ordeal. I don't attribute much of it to drugs, as she seems very aware and animated. She described people shot and killed at point blank range all around her, including her good friends. Executions. Bloody pools. Dead strangers partially on top of her. Another literally shielded her from a deadly shot, losing their life so she could live. She explained the SWAT team crashing through the brick wall and the crisis coming to a head in a burst of gunfire. At no time did her narration bring out an emotional reaction. She listed only one personal concern: would she drown in the water from busted pipes? Plus she was interested in getting her friend's phone.

She also mentioned that the gunman spoke about not being alone. He referred to having sniper allies. She is the second eye-witness to spread the story that there could have been a shooter conspiracy, with up to 4 perpetrators involved.

Despite having a shattered femur and a bullet wound to her other leg---which required surgery and I assume also warranted painkillers, recovery sleep, and so forth---Patience apparently had time to write a poem about her survivor's guilt. Looking healthy and confident, with a mass shooting and major surgery not slowing her one bit, she recited it for her audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykkz0e62X0A
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Patience Carter, wounded eye-witness at the center of the action part 2

Who is she?

A student at NYU, she works in the publicity business part-time, talking into cameras for a job: She's an intern for WTXF Fox 29 in Philadelphia. She's done a fair amount of work for them.
http://www.fox29.com/news/158551698-story

Personal bios
https://www.facebook.com/patience.carter.14
http://www.patienceproductions.com/

Video footage of her on camera at FOX29:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI4YLv7yPDg

More of her reporting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPTrJMJpY0Y

Her on the news as young as Grade 10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqPR8WeKwU

There have been many accusations that Patience is a paid crisis actor. Snopes, a website that carefully decides what it will and will not dispute (usually going after the stupid accusations), put up a hasty defense:
http://www.snopes.com/patience-carter-c ... r-orlando/

Actually, I never expected to find anything about her being a professional actor. Obviously I'd never find anything about how she got paid either. Nonetheless, I find it interesting that, according to her own words and actions, she is very ambitious to get into the publicity industry: anything from being on camera in journalism or documentaries, to being on radio, to making music and music videos.

Her successes and thoughts are on her social media:
https://twitter.com/patience326_

"Seeing myself on TV is always a great feeling!!"

Interesting comments. Her newest foes are conspiracy theorist 'evil haters', and she's very defensive about 'Black skeptics' who are 'dragging me through the dirt.' So I guess a few black people have let their doubts be known.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BG1bEc3gYEX/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGz3kIYAYMK/

On June 18, she made an Instagram post featuring her post-op wounded leg. This could be her leg. Or someone else's. Who is to say until we see the wound linked to her face?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGzjdNngYNv/

Obama has her back, she proclaimed here. He flew down to meet her and others, three days after her surgery:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGvsARqAYGp/
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These young folks really can heal fast.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:10 pm
Extra:

I thought her music video was quite interesting. You can sense what's on her mind. The Youtube comments are interesting too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3xOgb0MPCA

Second Extra:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGzLp0ygYDr ... painisreal

#ourpainisreal

A new thing trying to prove to skeptics that what she endured actually happened, since according to her she is being widely doubted online. She reiterates: "I included multiple times that I believe that there are more people involved."

So who knows? The scenarios are 1) it was real, with other shooters, with media spin; or 2) not real, with media spin; or 3) a combination of both somehow?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:40 pm
Strange detail

Security Firm That Employed Orlando Killer Says It Made ‘Clerical Error’ in Evaluation Documents

G4S, Mateen's employer, said it listed the wrong name for the psychologist who evaluated a test for Mateen, The Wall Street Journal reported.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... evaluation

http://www.wsj.com/articles/security-fi ... 1466361007

The test was required for Mateen to carry a firearm as a security guard.

The documents submitted listed psychologist Carol Nudelman, but Nudelman said she hadn't evaluated tests for the security company after 2005.

The September 2007 evaluation used the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory and was conducted by third-party vendor Headquarters for Psychological Evaluation. It was reported that Mateen was found to have had an above-average rating.

“Dr. Nudelman’s name appeared on the license as scoring the exam; it was a clerical error,” G4S said.

The security company said after Mateen was investigated in 2013 by the FBI, it did not conduct another evaluation.


Clerical error? Or not? If it's no big deal, then G4S should immediately find out who gave Mateen the important psych exam, and that mental health professional should be interviewed.

Is it just me or are there a lot of 'clerical errors' and inconsistent paperwork problems with these kind of mass shooting cases? What's real and what isn't? Did Mateen even take this test?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:55 pm
Useful info? Or more obfuscating smoke, as factions compete to control the Legend of Omar Mateen?

Before Omar Mateen Committed Mass Murder, The FBI Tried To 'Lure' Him Into A Terror Plot
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-projec ... error-plot

Before Omar Mateen gunned down 49 patrons at the LGBTQ Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, the FBI attempted to induce his participation in a terror plot. Sheriff Ken Mascara of Florida’s St. Lucie County told the Vero Beach Press Journal that after Mateen threatened a courthouse deputy in 2013 by claiming he could order Al Qaeda operatives to kill his family, the FBI dispatched an informant to "lure Omar into some kind of act and Omar did not bite."


http://www.tcpalm.com/news/special/orla ... 08751.html


In the media spin world, a war is still going on about Mateen and the influences around him. Factions seem to dropping stories left, right, and center. These competing stories are political narratives. I don't think it's "the government" and media operating as a unified monolith. Rather, it's different factions in society (bureaucracies, media, etc.) wanting to use Mateen and the Pulse mass-shooting (to harness the public's perceptions), and these different factions are slagging each other in the process.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:56 am
Data dump

Active shooter mass casualty drill at the Hospital two blocks from the Pulse nightclub in March 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUXO7be8V0

Theme of comments: Military weapons, assault rifles, high velocity projectiles

They're seeing gunshots from military type weapons almost on a daily basis in Orlando? I would like to see the records.

I agree with the commentators. I smell agenda and some fibs.

I saw a longer video of this interview. Have to find it again.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:45 pm
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The Scene

Here is 2 minutes of video footage that tells us several things about what was going, where people were, the location of various buildings, and so forth. The video is taken from a point south-east of the Pulse nightclub, behind a low, black metal fence, on the property of Radio Shack. The journalists filming here were kitty-corner to the Pulse, which was exactly 50 meters (yards) away, according to Google maps.

Man, that is very close to an active shooter mass casualty zone! I don't think any media had gotten so close, even if the event was over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJdEsMBVHQ

Using Google maps, one can find out every geographic detail of the scene fairly fast. Below is the 2-minute map I made.

The victims shown in the video footage were clustered in front of the Yoga Center. Apparently they were crossing the street in small groups, and were walking or being carried right past the nest of cameras. The story goes that many victims were heading north up S Orange Ave, past the Pulse again, eventually to go to a nearby hospital (Orlando Regional?).

Much of this victim migration was captured by the cameras crews, whom the police allowed to have such an amazing vantage point right across from the crime scene.


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The Scene pt2

Borrowing other peoples' graphics which they made from Google, Youtube, etc:

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Chris Hansen of Ohio/Arkansas, with the hat and American shirt. Chris was the all-nighter spokesperson.

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Red Shoes with his buddies. In the RT video, Red Shoes starts on the ground in front of the Yoga Center

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Still trying to identify these people below

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:06 pm
Questions about the Scene

1. When was this video footage taken?
2. How much time had gone by since these people were allegedly shot?
3. When did the camera men set up outside Radio Shack?
4. Who were these camera men and for which organizations did they work?
5. No other media organizations seemed to have filmed that close to Pulse, or so near to victims on the move. Why did the police allow these camera men so close and apparently inside the 'active shooter mass casualty zone?'

If anyone has any insights about these questions, I'd be interested in reading them.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:40 pm
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Some interesting answers

At first I wondered if the wounded were the people "liberated" from the Pulse by the police after 5 AM. Then I saw an important video and an important photo.

Below are two accounts from Norman Casiano, a victim claiming to have been shot twice. We read about him earlier, and his amazing recovery.

In the first video, Casiano said he was trapped in one of the bathrooms, and the assailant got in there, shooting him and other victims up.
CNN interview: http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/06/14 ... per-ac.cnn

In the second video, Casiano said he made a daring escape from the bathroom not long after getting shot. His explanation is not descriptive at all and doesn't make much sense. But he somehow got out of a bathroom window? Cops fired at him, he said. He yelled: I'm a victim. Help! So he escaped and crawled to safety. he could do it, but a dozen others, couldn't?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-cqjDL1esU

Bizarre how he's so chill and almost smiling for most the interview. Pretty stable guy for witnessing and experiencing the worst mass shooting recorded.


Anyhow, Casiano was free and walking around way before the big finale at 5 AM.

Video still of Norman Casiano walking north, past the camera dude set up in front of the Radioshack (Strange how the woman holding him up is in fact squishing one of his alleged bullet wounds):
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