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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:35 pm
Never heard before information from a shooting survivor

ABC News interviews this unknown man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBAUYUlAps

He said:

1. the shooter claimed "he didn't have an issue with the blacks," suggesting whites were his target.

2. the shooter phoned either the news or police, telling to stop bombing ISIS.

3. the shooter phoned somebody else and said he was the 4th shooter. There were three others, one female. She had a bombing vest. Three snipers were "out there" waiting for cops to come.

This man claimed he was able to hide unnoticed for three hours inside the club.

“Then he called someone he knew,” the man continued, “and he mentioned that he was the fourth shooter, and there were three others.”

The witness said he recalled hearing Mateen mention a female who was playing dead and allegedly had a “bombing vest” like the one he reportedly wore during the attack. The other two people Mateen allegedly mentioned were two snipers, whom he said were waiting for police to arrive so they could shoot.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06 ... -massacre/

So far, no one has corroborated this man's claims.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:25 am
A better look at Red Shoe guy and his carriers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTC88DrbnpQ

His buddies try to hide him, but he is standing on his shot up leg, without support, and looks perfectly fine to me.

The white guy in black is having a fun time. If you look hard enough, he smiles at the camera at the end after Red Shoe gives him a love tap.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:46 am
Speaking of smiling, this one gets me every time

The totally amused Orlando police officer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0xdmzB3Y54

It's the deadliest shooting in America's history. 50 dead. 53 wounded. You can't get any more serious than this, correct?

The mayor is speaking to the nation about the horrible loss.

The old cop comes walking up behind the serious group, smiling his bag off, and almost chuckling out loud with delight.

Then, by magic, he assumes a very subdued, morose face. You know someone behind the camera pointed at him and ordered him to knock it off.

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It reminds me of the cops at the Ottawa shooting, having a great time while the capitol building had been raided by a terrorist shooter:
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The fun and laughs Robbie Parker had right after his daughter was shot at Sandy Hook:
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And the state trooper at Sandy Hook who was busting a gut while the medical examiner described the mass-shooting of little children:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ho6Tkko0rg

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It makes Obama shed a non-existent tear
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:46 am
Chris Hansen, the eye witness who got the most media attention

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Wearing his signature hat and American Flag shirt, Hansen remained at the scene for hours, helping the injured and giving multiple live interviews. The next day, he spent hours with the media. He was a newcomer to Orlando. But he became the spokesperson for the shooting.

Here is a bunch of his interview footage from various mainstream news networks from that early Sunday morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4J5gr58IXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmb8MTRcNcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4J5gr58IXs

According to his many stories, he had a lot of blood on him. Blood spattered from the people shot right next to him. Not only did it soak his hands, he was crawling on his hands and knees across the blood-soaked ground inside as he made it out of the club. He made it to the street, which was also covered in blood. In one story, he managed to carry his alcoholic drink the whole way? Also, not long after, he had an injured man over his shoulder. Then he was performing first aid, plugging a gunshot wound in someone's back. Then he was carrying and then cradling a bleeding woman in his lap.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world ... spattering
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... c2a8838b94
http://www.marieclaire.com.au/article/n ... o-shooting

But during Hansen's interviews right after the shooting, he doesn't have speck of blood on him. I've seen his shirt, his arms, his hands, his pants, face, etc. Not a speck of blood.

In the videos, can anyone see any sign of blood on his clothing or skin? Am I blind? Would it be safe to say that he should have visible blood on at least some part of his body after all his experience?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:19 pm
Omar Mateen - credited in movies

I first thought this was a hoax designed to deceive people like me, so I stayed away. Apparently it's not a hoax . Omar Mateen the Orlando shooter was indeed credited for involvement in at least two movies.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5753533/bio? ... _ov_bio_sm
When I read that IMDB page earlier in the week, I could have sworn there was more than 2 entries, but it turns out there was just two.

The bio says he died via gunshot at the age of 29 in Orlando:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5753533/bio? ... _ov_bio_sm

Here he is in the 2012 documentary 'The Big Fix'. He is playing himself, working as a security guard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0zmEwkp1_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzYsC3p7GZI

Mateen seems reasonable in the clip. He might have been going off of a script. That's my speculation. I only say that because parts of some documentaries, as the rumours go, aren't as natural as we're led to believe.

The Big Fix (2012)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1939753/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/15/o ... -oil-spill

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Mateen also had a full acting role in 'Love City, Jalalabad' . He was credited as having a main character part in the movie called 'The Bad Boy'

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8223977/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3004140/?ref_=nm_knf_t1

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A film with some gay themes? That's not shocking, but could it be of some relevance when it comes to the mystery of Mateen's sexual disposition?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B580BXIg99Q
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:27 pm
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Mateen's IMDB page was edited. Here is a pic of what it looked like a few days ago (the photos did work when I saw them before):

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Also, comments specifically about Mateen on his IMDB page were readable. Now I can't find them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:52 pm
G4S and Crisis Cast

It's been established that Mateen worked for G4S, a multinational company that rose from the spook-filled Wackenhut Corporation, previously centred in Florida. Researchers have been hitting the websites of crisis actor corporations and came across this creepy one:

http://crisiscast.com/

If you scroll down to see Crisis Cast's clients and associates, you will find (I assume) the 12 biggest ones linked to Crisis Cast. The fifth listed is G4S, the security firm Mateen worked for. Is this a serious connection? Unknown. Some think it is. I would call it raw data that deserves more looking into. Might be something. Might not. Unfortunately it may prove impossible to find out to the avg web clicker.

Anyway, Crisis Cast is evidently one of several 'crisis actor' companies scattered about the Western world. Governments and big corporations hire them to expertly simulate dangerous emergencies.

CrisisCast
Award winning role play actors and film makers specially trained in disaster and crisis management.

We dramatise events for emerging security needs in the UK, Middle East and worldwide. Our specialist role play actors – many with security clearance – are trained by behavioural psychologists and rigorously rehearsed in criminal and victim behaviour to help police, the army and the emergency services, hospitals, schools, local authorities, government, private security firms, shopping centres, airports, big business, criminal justice departments, media and the military to simulate incident environments for life saving procedures.

We use state of the art British film industry techniques, props and special effects to help trainers deliver essential, hands-on, high octane crisis response and disaster management training. We also work with trainee doctors, psychologists and care professionals.



Planning

Our producers work with your trainers to create a 'script' that enables the role play actors to know when to trigger key developments in an evolving crisis management scenario. We brief and rehearse the team - where possible on location - but at least with video surveillance footage.

Heads of department manage each discipline and report to the lead producer who is your direct contact at all times.



Strategy

Our crisis management exercises can test monitoring and communications systems, safety plans including lockdown and evacuation procedures, the ability of emergency services to co-operate and respond effectively and - of increasing importance - their joint ability to respond to the press, media and information posted on social platforms and the internet.

All strategy is developed in partnership with our clients.



Results

Nothing works as effectively in dealing with real-world disasters as rehearsal.

We bring all of our experience creating highly credible, dramatic scenarios to bear preparing your people for the worst and equipping them with the psychological and practical tools that will help them save lives and survive disaster.

We regularly execute NDAs that include our role play actors and crew.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:10 am
Introducing Christine Leinonen, mother of Orlando shooting victim Christopher Leinonen

Chris Hansen, survivor and hero, was the initial main spokesperson of the event. He told and re-told several stories throughout June 12, sometimes adding new details and then removing others.

Then Christine Leinonen dominated the news.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/ne ... ting-plea/

She was the forlorn mother, hoping her son was okay but it was looking really bad. She took several interviews while waiting to see if her son was alive or dead. Some of these must be shown. They are insightful.

Here she is on the day (morning?) after the night's shooting. The author of the video has included his typed observations, some of which I was thinking about too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjOPuKdogw4

1. She appears to be trying to follow a script of some kind. The words (from cue cards or a teleprompter?) seem to be literally in front of her, and somewhere beneath the camera.
2. She is wearing shades to conceal the movement of her eyes, but we can still see her lowering her eyes and reading.
3. She lowers her eyes, pauses to read, then speaks, momentarily raising her eyes. Then it repeats. And repeats. It is done frequently sentence by sentence, or phrase by phrase. There's also some improv, but the pause/read gets worse as the video continues..
4. The video commentator suggests there might be someone outside of camera coaching her, but that is only speculation. I can't hear the alleged whispering.
5. She is simulating the act of weeping. A common theme.
6. As all the main parents do, she talks about 'doing something with the assault weapons'

Wheel of Fortune attention-seeker?

The internets is saying the video below is a video of Christine taken sometime in the past. Years ago? It is an audition tape of hers, an attempt for her to be a contestant on Wheel of Fortune. As she says, it's her third attempt to get audition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxUn7JnaikE

Here is the ultra-skeptic Red Silver J, making it very clear he thinks she is acting (badly) for money, and there is a lot of money involved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0thCKVuWts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3o_acLkn0I

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:34 am
Introducing Natalie Murray, mother of Orlando shooting victim Akyra Murray

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2672692


“She doesn’t drink, she just wanted to have a good time,” Natalie Murray said. “We dropped her off at 11:30 p.m.”

But just after 2 a.m., she and her husband received an alarming text message from their daughter that there had been a shooting and she needed a ride.

She and her husband sped to the club from Kissimmee in the hopes of rescuing Murray, telling their crying daughter to stay calm and keep applying pressure to her arm as she hid in the bathroom stall for hours.

They hung up to call police and never spoke to their daughter again.

The family spent the next 27 hours searching hospitals and calling police for word of their daughter, but learned nothing until investigators confirmed she was among the dead.

Police identified Murray in the final round of victims Monday afternoon.


After her ultra-nightmare ordeal -- which involved speeding to the Pulse night club early Sunday morning, biting her nails outside for hours, followed by 27 hours searching hospitals and calling police -- mother Natalie Murray finally was told on Monday, June 13 that her baby girl, 18 years old, had bled to death in a Pulse bathroom stall. (So much talk about those scary gay bathrooms, eh?) Either late on June 13th or early on June 14th, Natalie then drove to the Orange County Coroner’s Office to claim Akyra’s body.

What does Natalie Murray do immediately afterward? After her hellish ordeal, she makes it a priority to do a CNN interview. Without any sign of exhaustion or emotion, she very matter-of-factly and yet enthusiastically explains some of her story. The interview is published on June 14. Here it is and take heed of the Youtube comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6zbwfxuz8

The interview has dozens of skeptical comments calling her fake, and it so far has 60 thumbs up, and 294 thumbs down.

Natalie revealed her daughter's final text message to the world recently:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:30 am
Shawn Royster Santiago, eye-witness and performer

Yes, there happens to be some actors and models and other publicity-seekers in the gay community. Nonetheless, I think it's noteworthy to list the ones who agreed to corporate TV interviews as eye-witnesses to the event.

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http://www.modelmayhem.com/3166207

About Me
My Name is Shawn Royster Santiago. I'm 25 yrs old. Been modeling and performing in the entertainment industry off and on since i was 11. I've done Runway Shows, Print Work, Television/Commercials as well. Looking to touch up my image and possibly get my Modeling Ball rolling again. Looking to shoot for up and coming photographers and/or possibly make some bookings. Networking is always a plus as well. Work as a Visual Merchandiser, so also into styling as well. Contact me if your interested in working together.


His TV interview can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEiTfexX1uM

Authentic or not in his interview, his experience with TV/commercials and other publicity work no doubt allowed him to speak more naturally in front of the cameras than the average random person. He offered over six minutes of consecutive, coherent story-telling. The average person would not be so forthcoming and clear, and would want to disengage once they felt emotionally overcome. He was also the only person I've seen to shed tears.

The information he gave ultimately is of no use. He was asked directly, What did you see and hear? No real answers.

Like many others who claimed to be at the Pulse that night, he is not from Orlando.
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