Orlando Shooting Investigation

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Introduction. I originally wrote some thoughts on June 14, two days after the "Orlando Shooting". They are in quotes. Below that, on this day of Jul 23, I'll write my updated thoughts based on the research I did for a month-and-a-half after the event.

This event is very confusing, and yet so far I have no evidence at all to suggest it was a gov plot, fake or orchestrated for real. It has some differences from the other fake shootings. I've looked, but so far I've found no moments which scream fake. On the other hand, there's weird details, connections, and media distortions. because of this, the "worst mass-shooting in American history" seems to be worth looking at.

On the whole, the shooting had many of the general Hot Button issues involved:
1. Firearms (and the infamous semi-automatic rifle, which turned out to not be an AR-15 but very similar.)
2. Muslims (and supposed oaths of allegiance to ISIS)
3. LGBT theme (a constant headline issue, especially with the latest Trans bathroom stuff)
4. Mental health (that theme always looms in these events)
5. FBI involvement beforehand (as they are always involved beforehand) and there is a DHS peripheral connection too.

The latest twist is that this terror/hate crime might have been committed by a gay man in the closet: the shooter, Omar Mateen.



UPDATE. July 23.

I have found evidence (starting several pages into the thread) which has led me believe that at least part of the 'deadliest mass shooting in American history' appears to have been fake. That is to say, at least part of it was a simulation (most likely a mass casualty drill) presented by the media and government -- in collusion -- as real. For those not familiar with such a conclusion, it may sound like a wild accusation not connected with any facts or precedents.

But the fact is, American (and other NATO country) security forces have been proven to be highly interested in conducting very life-like mass casualty drills. On rare occasions, they have been either been proved or strongly suspected of making very elaborate simulations and passing them off as absolutely real. They hire and/exploit people to role-play in these simulations. Such people are crisis-actors. It is a genuine profession.

The objective of these very rare events is to successfully conduct a psy-op, or psychological operation, which affects millions and influences perceptions. These events also amount to an elaborate distractions that spread fear and apathy.

In this thread, there is direct physical evidence (which you can see for yourself), testimonial evidence, and circumstantial evidence all pointing to faked parts of the Orlando shooting. There is no encompassing evidence proving all of it was fake. But there certainly is some that proves various people were lying, role-playing, and generally doing their part to create 'an urban myth' written by organized (yet flawed) script-makers.

The Orlando event was, at least in part, most likely a planned contrivance of the American security/intelligence agencies, which answer to specific elites in Washington, DC. These agencies and leaders have unhealthy alliances and influences on the affairs of states, cities, police forces, and so forth. They also have unhealthy relationships with corporate media. Money and networking, shared beliefs and secretive channels, seem to make it all work.

Domestic propaganda, targeted at home audiences, was once officially banned by the US federal government. A few years ago, the ban was lifted with virtually no public consultation. Therefore stories which are purposefully distorted or even totally contrived may be distributed by the government and its corporate media allies, and passed off as real.

Given this new context, one would think we are almost helpless in trying to discover what is real or not, or a mix of both. Then again, anyone who takes time to review the various 'facts' of the Orlando event and seriously studies the evidence will probably realize that there are many things wrong, even impossible, with the official story.
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The original narrative was that Mateen saw two men kissing, so he randomly drove over a 100 miles to Orlando and shot up a gay bar, all because he was such a intolerant Muslim extremist. That was a dumb story.

Then...

Omar Mateen was in the closet - bisexual and turning homosexual?

Orlando shooter was regular at Pulse gay club; former classmate says Omar Mateen was homosexual
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... al+twitter

Orlando gunman had been seen on gay dating apps, at Pulse nightclub before shooting
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Men Say Shooter Messaged Them on Grindr, Jack'd
http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/6/13 ... him-grindr

'Omar Mateen was gay': Orlando terrorist pursued a relationship with male classmate, was a regular at gay bars including Pulse for the past decade, and used hookup apps like Grindr to meet men
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... there.html

Mateen was a semi-regular at the gay bar, and a few clubbers knew him
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orl ... story.html

Ex-wife, former classmate say Mateen was 'gay'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/former-class ... n-was-gay/


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:08 pm
Mateen was known by the FBI

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orland ... en-n591021


In May 2013, co-workers at the courthouse reported Mateen had claimed he had family connections to Al Qaeda and had relatives who were in Hezbollah, two groups that are opposed to ISIS, FBI Director James Comey said. He also told colleagues that he hoped law enforcement would raid his home and assault his wife and child "so he could martyr himself," Comey said.

The FBI investigated, using informants, recording conversations with Mateen, and interviewing him twice, Comey said. Mateen admitted making the statements to his colleagues, but said it was because he was angry they were teasing him for being Muslim. The probe ended in May 2014.


Two months later, in July 2014, Mateen's name came up during an investigation of a Fort Pierce man, Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha, a Palestinian-American who carried out a suicide attack in Syria on behalf of the Al-Nusra front, according to The Associated Press. Comey confirmed that account, but didn't identify the bomber, saying the two men knew each other "casually" from attending the same mosque. An investigation determined there were no ties of any consequence, Comey said.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:15 pm
Mateen and Marine veteran, Robertson, aka 'Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves'


Orlando gunman tied to radical imam released from prison last year, say law enforcement sources
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/or ... urces.html

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The gunman who murdered at least 50 people in a Florida nightclub early Sunday morning was a follower of a controversial gang leader-turned-bank robber who was released from prison last year despite warnings from prosecutors that he would recruit people to carry out violent acts, sources told FoxNews.com.


Omar Mateen, whose bloody siege inside a packed Orlando gay nightclub ended when SWAT teams stormed the building and killed him, was a radical Muslim who followed Marcus Dwayne Robertson, a law enforcement source said.

Robertson's school may not have been the only source of Mateen's spiritual guidance. The gunman was at the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce with Imam Shafiq Rahman two days before the nightclub attack, according to The Washington Post. That mosque was frequented by American-born suicide bomber Monar abu Salha, who blew himself up in Syria in 2014, and the two knew each other, according to officials. Mateen's association with Salha led the FBI to interview him in 2014. Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee Mike McCaul told Fox News law enforcement determined at the time their contact “was minimal.”

FoxNews.com has reported extensively on Robertson, a former U.S. Marine who served as a bodyguard to the Blind Sheik involved in the 1993 World Trade Center Attack and led a gang of New York bank robbers called “Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves” before resurfacing in Orlando, where he started an Islamic seminary.

The school, recently renamed the Timbuktu Seminary, is operated by Robertson, a 47-year-old firebrand known to his thousands of followers as Abu Taubah.

Robertson, who recently spent four years in prison in Florida on illegal weapons and tax fraud charges before being released by a Florida judge one year ago, has openly and enthusiastically preached against homosexuality. The targets of Mateen’s bloody rampage were members of the gay community of Orlando, 120 miles from the 29-year-old’s home in Fort Pierce.

Prosecutors said wiretaps from 2011 proved Robertson instructed one of his students, Jonathan Paul Jimenez, to file false tax returns to obtain a tax refund to pay for travel to Mauritania for terror training.

Jimenez studied with Robertson for a year in preparation for his travel to Mauritania, where he would study and further his training in killing, suicide bombing, and identifying and murdering U.S. military personnel. He pleaded guilty in 2012 to lying to authorities and conspiring to defraud the IRS and was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison.

Robertson was arrested on a firearms charge in 2011 and pleaded guilty in January 2012. On March 14, 2012, federal authorities charged him with conspiring to defraud the IRS, which he was convicted of in December 2013.

While in the John E. Polk Correctional Facility in Seminole County, Robertson was considered so dangerous, he was kept in shackles and assigned his own guards. Whenever he was transported to court, a seven-car caravan of armed federal marshals escorted him. He was initially moved into solitary confinement after prison authorities believed he was radicalizing up to 36 of his fellow prisoners.

In seeking enhanced terrorism charges during sentencing for the two crimes, prosecutors said Robertson has been involved with terrorism activities, “…focused on training others to commit violent acts as opposed to committing them himself” … “overseas instead of inside the United States.”

Yet efforts by federal prosecutors to tack on another 10 years to his sentence, based on enhanced terrorism charges under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, were not persuasive enough for U.S. District Judge Gregory Presnell, who freed Robertson in June 2015 with time served.

Robertson had denied being involved with terrorist activities, in court and in postings on social media and in statements from his attorney to Fox News.

Federal law enforcement has been familiar with Robertson since 1991.

As a former U.S. Marine who became the leader known as "Ali Baba” of a notorious New York gang “Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves”, Robertson and his crew robbed more than 10 banks, private homes and post offices at gunpoint, shot three police officers, and attacked one cop after he was injured by a homemade pipe bomb.

During the same period, federal authorities claimed Robertson served as a bodyguard to Omar Abdel Rahman, nicknamed the “Blind Sheik,” who led the terrorist group that carried out the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and donated more than $300,000 in stolen funds to mosques he attended, both claims Robertson denied. Robertson has adamantly denied the claims.

After he was arrested in 1991 along with most of the other members of the gang, prosecutors cut a deal with Robertson, and let him serve four years in prison before going to work undercover for the FBI between 2004 and 2007 to document terrorists’ plans and networks in Africa, Egypt and the United States.

Many of the court’s filings, including Robertson’s own testimony from his most recent criminal case, remain under federal seal, which means only prosecutors, the judge and the defense can review the records.
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Mateen followed Robertson, and Robertson was an undercover FBI informant?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/or ... urces.html

After he was arrested in 1991 along with most of the other members of the gang, prosecutors cut a deal with Robertson, and let him serve four years in prison before going to work undercover for the FBI between 2004 and 2007 to document terrorists’ plans and networks in Africa, Egypt and the United States.

Many of the court’s filings, including Robertson’s own testimony from his most recent criminal case, remain under federal seal, which means only prosecutors, the judge and the defense can review the records.


Another source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hings.html
Robertson, who was a former US Marine and undercover FBI agent before turning into a radical Imam, was released from prison last year despite warning from officials and prosecutors that he would recruit people to carry out horrendous acts of violence.


After serving as a Marine for six years, Robertson, 47, went on to become a bank robber, before turning FBI informant after his arrest in exchange for a short prison sentence.

He was dismissed by the FBI in 2007 after allegedly attacking his CIA handler, and then began preaching Islamic extremism.


Right..... Robertson was 'dismissed' as an asset for assaulting an intelligence handler, and miraculously released very very early from prison? Doesn't happen like that. The fedgov owns your ass if you're a major multiple felon/terrorist leader/bank robber. You're screwed for life unless you cut a deal with the Feds, and do exactly what they want.

Hmmm, the FBI said they had introduced Mateen to FBI informants, and former marine Robertson just happened to be one from 2004 - 2007. Methinks Robertson was a functioning informant 'handling' Mateen after he got out of prison in 2015. Too much of a fluke that Mateen just started to get sucked in to Robertson's sermons.
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US Marine Robertson was the bodyguard of the Blind Sheikh, one the CIA's terrorist lieutenants in the 1980s, and the alleged sponsor of the 1993 WTC bombing in New York City

http://www.historycommons.org/context.j ... thwarlords

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdel-Rahman

The Boston Globe will later say that throughout the 1980s, the “Blind Sheikh,” Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, “was a spiritual leader of the CIA-backed mujaheddin.” [Boston Globe, 6/21/1995] The Atlantic Monthly will later report that in the late 1980s in Peshawar, Pakistan, Abdul-Rahman “became involved with the US and Pakistani intelligence officials who were orchestrating the [Afghan] war. The sixty or so CIA and Special Forces officers based there considered him a ‘valuable asset,’ according to one of them, and overlooked his anti-Western message and incitement to holy war because they wanted him to help unify the mujaheddin groups.” He is unable to unify the groups, but he helps coordinate some of their activities. He tends to favor the two most radically anti-Western factions led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Abdul Rasul Sayyaf. He also has close links to Abdullah Azzam, bin Laden’s mentor. [Atlantic Monthly, 5/1996] According to Barnett Rubin, a Columbia University professor and senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, Azzam was also working with the CIA to help recruit for and unite the mujaheddin groups (see 1985-1989), and when he is assassinated in 1989, the CIA relies even more heavily on Abdul-Rahman. Rubin claims the CIA pays to send him back to Peshawar “to preach to the Afghans about the necessity of unity to overthrow the Kabul regime.” As a reward for his help, the CIA gives him a visa to the US, even though he is on a terrorism watch list (see July 1990). [New York Magazine, 3/17/1995] One source who worked with the CIA supply operation at this time will later say that Abdul-Rahman’s ties to Hekmatyar, the CIA’s most favored Afghan warlord, “put Sheikh Omar in the [CIA’s] good books. And believe me, later on when the Sheikh wanted to come to the States, he cashed in those chips.” [Lance, 2006, pp. 20]


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Why is the daddy of the Orlando mass-shooter hooked up with the State Department and CIA?

https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/0 ... -with-cia/

Scott Creighton runs this blog. Creighton is a researching machine. He and his online friends find such interesting facts.

Welcome to Seddique Mateen, daddy of America's newest and most infamous serial killer.


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Orlando shooter's daddy a long-time CIA asset: self-proclaimed provisional government leader and identified propaganda spewer
http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/06/13/or ... cia-asset/

Pictured below are Seddique Mateen and California Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, who for decades has been a huge cheerleader for covert activities in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Rohrabacher was initially elected to Congress in 1988, with the fundraising help of friend Oliver North. Rohrabacher’s decades-long involvement in “all things Afghan” eventually earned him the nickname “Gunga Dana.” Today he chairs the United States House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia and Emerging Threats.


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An interesting coincidence just before the Orlando event happened

Strange how the CIA, NSA, and Pentagon elites are so interested in breaking numerous laws and smuggling countless illegal arms to countries all around the globe (mainly to very hostile civilian-killing terrorists), but these elites are simultaneously very concerned about guns in the USA.


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Former_C ... 8/Y/M.html

http://americansforresponsiblesolutions ... /veterans/

Former directors of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, as well as several 3- and 4-star generals and admirals have launched a new effort to control the sales of guns in the United States. The effort is certain to attract attention after last weekend’s deadly mass shooting in Orlando, Florida. The group, which calls itself Veterans Coalition for Common Sense, is led by former CIA Director David Petraeus, former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden, and US Army General (ret.) Stanely McChrystal. The group’s advisory committee includes recognizable figures such as that of Admiral Eric Olson, who led US Special Operations Command from 2007 to 2011 and was the first US Navy SEAL to be appointed to four-star rank. Other advisory committee members include high-ranking veterans from every branch of the US Armed Forces, such as R. Adm. Jamie Barnett, Brig. Gen. Stephen Cheney and Air Force commander Lt. Gen. Norman Seip.

The group was formally launched at a press conference in Washington, DC, on Friday, just hours before Sunday morning’s mass shooting in Orlando.


The people involved are no moral, legal saints. They've offed a lot of people and disrespected many laws, so I doubt they are really crying about civilians at home occasionally shooting each other. Rather, the Pentagon, CIA, and NSA all identify a highly-armed population as not only one that can't be properly controlled, but a population that could hypothetically overthrow them in the future. In other words, a threat for even existing. The concept of an armed, free citizenry is pure poison to authoritarian control freaks building the largest surveillance/control grid ever seen by humanity.
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Mateen worked for a long-time intelligence contractor with an infamous past


Mateen worked for G4S, a global security firm which is directly associated with the Wackenhut Corporation.

G4S Secure Solutions (aka Wackenhut)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G4S_Secure_Solutions

The story goes that Wackenhut, based out of Florida, had gotten so infamous as a contractor for the CIA, FBI, DEA, DIA, and other fedgov intelligence agencies that it merged with G4S, and took on its name. In effect, Wackenhut disappeared only in name, and yet retains a Florida regional HQ. It reminds me of how the Blackwater mercenary corporation -- plump with USgov intelligence contracts -- changed its name to Xe to 'vanish' itself from the news.

The shady covert past of Wackenhut: guns, spying, WMDs, unexplained murders, and much more
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Wackenhut

http://ppia.wikia.com/wiki/Wackenhut

http://www.globalresearch.ca/media-cove ... ed/5530778

https://books.google.ca/books?id=wvCBtO ... ia&f=false

Long story short: Mateen was employed by a known CIA/Pentagon contractor.

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The first major eye-witness at the Pulse gay bar shooting to give his account on mainstream TV is a verified actor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMlpKHfnJyg

He was identified on CNN and ABC as Luis Burbano.

Here is the IMDB film credits for Luis Burbano. Same guy.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3483499/

Burbano, identified as an actor by FOX and ABC in the link below, was the very same man who "held the small door" leading out to the alley next to the club.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/orlan ... ape-video/

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Why does Burbano say he saw such a big bullet (3 inches long?) sticking out of someone's leg? The victims were hit by .223 rounds. The .223 lead bullet, free of its brass cartridge, is far smaller. Much shorter than an inch before impact. And it moves so fast, it wouldn't be hanging out of someone's leg.

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