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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:15 pm
I've avoided all analysis and hype about the Jordanian pilot allegedly burned alive by ISIS. The media and politicians have tried hard to prepare our perceptions and "create the reality" by referring to the video as an authentic example of pure evil. I also refused to read any allegations of a hoax before I watched it for myself. More than once, at least during the first watching, I was thinking: this could be real.

All I can say for now is that I've watched the video more than once. Rewinded, paused, studied frames and angles and behaviors, examined the 'set', looked into medical info, etc. And I'm leaning to the conclusion that this "murder by fire" video is fake. A highly staged hoax designed for Western popular consumption.

Yep, I'm being like that. If anyone is seriously unsure about it themselves, I can point out what I noticed and talk about how it was made. Later on, after looking at comments online, it seems there's a fair share of people also voicing skepticism.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:23 am
I think I'm with the other guys on this one.

It's just that, the people that I think would want to mislead everyone with these, probably wouldn't have any problem actually killing someone to drive the point home, green screen or not. So you wouldn't have much trouble getting me to understand that perhaps someone staged the whole thing AND killed the guy in the process because they just don't care.

I get what you're saying... "wag the dog" this is all faked for the shaping of popular opinion. I just don't know that I'm on board with that yet.

For one, I don't particularly care to watch the videos faked or not....
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:49 pm
If we're talking about philosophical conclusions first, without looking at any evidence, even then there's big problems.

If we were really looking at the heinous threats and crimes of a terrorist group, things would be much simpler. Based on all that's come before, all they would do is behead, shoot, or burn someone alive and it would all look shockingly real.... much like the censored and stomach-turning real videos that can be found on the darker places of the internet.

There are certain psychopaths in the Middle East who've put out indisputable evidence of stuff that I'd care not to talk about. Apparently most or all came from US-allied militias who have since been blasted by the Syrian army. None of these videos had any production value to speak of. Just yapping crazy criminals in a war-torn area, a victim who really behaves like a victim, and a camera man.

Those videos -- even in their most censored form -- were entirely ignored by the corporate media.

Whereas the "Orange" series of videos is the opposite. High acceptance and replay by the media. High budget. Choreographing. Heavy use of computer tech and after-effects. Even laundry and dry-cleaning! No evidence of murder (except for this last video in which the evidence seems to be faked).

What I'm saying is... Why go through all the trouble? Why spend all the money and waste all the time? Why fake-murder them and then murder them afterward for realz in private? Why would ISIS make videos that only serve one purpose, an obviously complete backfire. Let's face it, the cliches of good vs evil, sadist vs victim, are so thick in these things that it's cartoon level stuff. These videos only depict ISIS as the villain to the whole world, especially to Muslims. They only exist to justify military intervention against 'them'. People are literally begging their respective governments to do something.

Terrorists hiding in bombed out basements in Syria, or caves in Iraq, are not popping out in between bombing runs with all their Hollywood equipment to make these videos. There is no ISIS as it's been described.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:19 am
Second top level US military commander talks about the origins of ISIS

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archive ... st-allies/

Former supreme allied military commander of NATO, General Wesley Clark, has recently said some things which mirror the tidbits spoken by General Martin Dempsey, the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"ISIS got started through funding from our friends and allies... to fight to the death against Hezbollah."


General Clark is a strange fish. He's camera-friendly and smart, and yet he's also dangerous in my opinion and a teller of half-truths.

Clark generally supports the information mentioned in this thread: US friends and allies have created & funded various Sunni anti-Assad militias which apparently are causing havoc. However, Clark is decidedly making sure not to get into any gory details.

So far, the truth, as reported, is this:

-A mix of NATO and Gulf State nations have been building these dangerous militias for years. They've turned Libya and now Syria upside down.
-NATO (CIA, MI6, etc.) imported several of them and their equipment from Benghazi, Libya.
-We were told lies that NATO was supporting 'secular, moderate' militias to fight Assad.
-As it turns out, there virtually are no more secular, moderate militias; many are anti-America and anti-Israel, with cartoonish rhetoric and costumes; and yet we specifically support the Anti-Assad nuts anyway.
-Such militias were trained and armed, with NATO supervision, in Jordan and near a major NATO base in Turkey.
-Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and various NATO countries each have their own favoured militias in the fight.

-We're told the ISIS baddies are all religious nutcases, empowered by fanaticism, and yet eye-witnesses say this seems to be more of a show than anything. Most actually want money and arms.

-Hezbollah, a strong Lebanese Shia militia and political party, is fighting the Sunni militias whom we've been told are a unified force called ISIS. It's very debatable if such a unified ISIS even exists. More likely, it's a large and barely related number of bandito groups.

Much like their Iranian sponsors, Hezbollah is considered a terrorist group by the NATO countries and Israel. Yet Hezbollah and Iran and Syria are doing all the leg-work in fighting the new big enemy, ISIS. If you believe the ISIS propaganda and you're afraid of them, then shake the hands of the formerly eeeevil Iranians, Syrians, and Hezbollah militiamen.

-Russia, also considered the big boogeyman, is helping Syria, Iran, and Iraq shoot all the ISIS guys once created/funded by NATO and the Gulf States. So shake the hand of a Russian too.

The whole thing is black comedy. NATO is playing both sides. Whatever happens, they're getting what they want, which is a military return to the Middle East, with US troops ultimately right on Syria's doorstep. It's not worth a drop of American blood or any taxpayer money. But the psychos in charge don't consider themselves American, don't care about taxpayer money, and don't care about whoever has to bleed.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:51 pm
U.S. backed rebel reportedly leads Islamic State in Libya

The sneaky agencies of the Western governments -- NATO, CIA, MI6, DGSE -- enabled Libyan militias to overthrow Qaddafi. The alliance was once secret; then it was leaked. These Islamic "militias" are often called jihadis, terrorists, fifth columns, rebels, whatever.... They key point is that they were allowed to exist because of protectors and paymasters. In Qaddafi's absence, and under NATO's supposed helplessness eye, they thrive.

Surprise, surprise -- one of the big militias in Libya that did the CIA's dirty work just went over to the phantom menace of ISIS:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ly-leads-/

Strange how all the puppets working with the West have supposedly gone over to the phantom menace.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:12 pm
Jihadi John, the dread "fake" executioner of ISIS, has a lot of explaining to do.

JJ's family is from Kuwait. As pro-Saddam refugees, they were given asylum and free rent in lavish homes in Britain for 20 years. Make sense of that. The UK taxpayers have handed £400k in subsidies so JJ's family could live in luxury. Neither JJ's mother or father are believed to work in the UK, and they have residences elsewhere. This did not stop JJ's dad from offering to buy the UK home, for which he pockets £40,000 a year. The home costs £600,000 (well over a million US dollars), but no one knows where or how JJ's dad got the money to offer such an extravagant price. I think we can assume 'somebody' in the UKGov gave him a little help.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... areas.html

The star of the Orange Suit terrorist videos is exposed as a near life-long recipient of massive gov money. No one can explain why the subsidies for these so-called enemy refugees, who apparently don't even live in Britain, is so high. Once again, the terrorists are revealed as being on the payroll.

How curious.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:46 am
Republican Senator John McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham hanging out with the future leader of ISIS in Libya.

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Along with John McCain, Graham met with LIFG militant Abdelhakim Belhadj, the man now leading ISIS in LIbya. This photo is from September 2012.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ly-leads-/

Belhadj fought alongside jihadists who killed U.S. troops in Iraq. Belhadj reportedly commands 3,000 Jihadists. He is part of a Jihadist coalition that is in control of Tripoli. His existing fighters will likely be absorbed into ISIS.

http://conservative-headlines.com/2015/ ... is-leader/
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archive ... with-isis/

McCain and Graham are direct and open supporters of Belhadj, a major terrorist. In 2004 Belhadj was apprehended by the CIA in Malaysia. The CIA released him into the custody of the Libyan government where he spent seven years in prison. After that, Behadj miraculously was working with Western-backed operations to overthrow Qaddafi.

Corporate media blackout. No one cares. Football is on.

McCain keeps expanding his friendship network with Middle Eastern terrorists and Ukrainian Neo-Nazis. He should be arrested on charges of associating and providing assistance to recognized terrorists. These are laws imposed on all Americans. Of course that won't happen because the terrorists are great fodder fighting for NATO's purposes, not against.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:37 pm
‘Jihadi John’ still has access to British bank account: ‘Incomprehensible’

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ll-has-ac/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rists.html

The most public face of terrorism for months, the most hyped out star of the Orange Suit videos, is completely left alone. People are being beheaded and direct threats are being made to the leaders of the West, and yet the UK can't even freeze this guy's bank account? Countries whose citizens were killed haven't complained either.

Curiously, if a random peaceful citizen doesn't pay his taxes or misses a child support payment, the government will move on his bank account in short order.

Must be incompetence, right? Like the way the government gave JJ's family buckets of money during most of his lifetime.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:04 pm
Israel is assisting militant Islamists and Al Qaeda

http://www.wsj.com/articles/al-qaeda-a- ... 1426169708

http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-reb ... th-israel/

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/04/04/w ... -in-syria/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/ ... 59648.html (an amazing confession from this Zionist friendly publication)

https://news.vice.com/article/new-evide ... an-heights

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/artic ... a-in-syria

http://www.lobelog.com/israel-working-with-al-qaeda/

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc ... S/2014/401

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... roups.html


It was widely suspected that Israel was involved somehow in the Syrian civil war, because Israel is so close and so interested in seeing the Assad regime weakened and neutralized. Now the WSJ and Israeli media have verified it.

Netanyahu recently visited the Israeli-occupied area of southern Syria called the Golan Heights. Here, along the border, Islamist fighters have gathered for a year, including the Al Nusra chapter of Al Qaeda. Netanyahu did a PR photo-op speech by saying he was giving medical aid to the random victims of Iran's meddling. He failed to mention his government is also giving medical assistance and arms to Islamist and Al Qaeda fighters who are fighting the forces of Syria and Iran.

Israel believes that Syria's government and Lebanon's Hezbollah militia are direct proxies of Iran. Therefore Israel will support Sunni jihadis and terrorists who are conflict with them. We are left with a serious problem. If you believe the story of 9/11 and the other Al Qaeda attacks, Israeli is now supporting the fighters loyal to the supposedly surviving Al Qaeda commander and bin Laden best bud, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Make sense of that.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:37 pm
It's official: the recently publicized DIA document shows that the Gulf States and the West anticipated and fostered the rise of ISIS

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-2 ... dent-assad

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence ... 9ad7a29092

Here is the 2012 DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) document obtained via lawsuit by Washington-based Judicial Watch:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content ... sion11.pdf

The Pentagon document clearly states that the West, Gulf States, and Turkey support the "opposition" forces fighting against the Syrian government. The opposition is driven by the Salifists (ISIS), Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI (al Qaeda in Iraq). These forces are funded and controlled by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Turkey and a few others. The USA approves and is involved in a way which is apparently classified.

In a strikingly prescient prediction, the Pentagon document explicitly forecasts the probable declaration of “an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria.”

Nevertheless, “Western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey are supporting these efforts” by Syrian “opposition forces” fighting to “control the eastern areas (Hasaka and Der Zor), adjacent to Western Iraqi provinces (Mosul and Anbar)”:

“… there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran).”

The secret Pentagon document thus provides extraordinary confirmation that the US-led coalition currently fighting ISIS, had three years ago welcomed the emergence of an extremist “Salafist Principality” in the region as a way to undermine Assad, and block off the strategic expansion of Iran. Crucially, Iraq is labeled as an integral part of this “Shia expansion.”

The establishment of such a “Salafist Principality” in eastern Syria, the DIA document asserts, is “exactly” what the “supporting powers to the [Syrian] opposition want.” Earlier on, the document repeatedly describes those “supporting powers” as “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey.”

Further on, the document reveals that Pentagon analysts were acutely aware of the dire risks of this strategy, yet ploughed ahead anyway.

The establishment of such a “Salafist Principality” in eastern Syria, it says, would create “the ideal atmosphere for AQI to return to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi.” Last summer, ISIS conquered Mosul in Iraq, and just this month has also taken control of Ramadi.


Summary

The DIA wrote:

1. The (USA-led) West supported the Syrian opposition, which is in truth is definitely a terrorist army dominated by what would be called ISIS, ISIL, or IS.
2. There was a 2012 prediction that an Islamic State (a Salafist principality) would emerge in eastern Syria. It did emerge, and this was exactly what the Gulf-Turk-Western supporters wanted. This was considered positive.
3. There was a prediction that the terrorists would take back chunks of western and northern Iraq (their old haunts); they did during this 'ideal atmosphere'.
4. One of the strategic goals of using these Sunni terrorists was to drive a wedge between the Shia crescent (Syria-Iran), and weaken Syria.


So there we go. Confirmation that the 'conspiracy theorists' were correct, straight from the Pentagon.
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