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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:18 pm
Senator Rand Paul on ISIS and the absurdity of the situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ6zK9CLkDw

Paul quotes multiple news sources in his speech.

1. Your taxpayer money has, depending on each case, either indirectly or directly created the current problems with ISIS.
2. American allies are creating American enemies, all apparently with USGov approval. He explains that all the tons of weapons from Gulf States and NATO given to "moderate" rebels have mainly wound up with ISIS.
3. The covert programs have been exposed to some degree. He calls them illegal, unconstitutional, dishonest.
4. The USGov remains intent on bringing down the Syrian government of Assad, when that government is the most effective enemy of ISIS. Iran too is to remain an enemy of the USGov when they are committed in fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
5. He clarifies that the public recipients of anti-Assad aid are mostly allied with ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, and other groups which we've been told are the enemy.

Like his father, he can't say the whole thing is a cynical, controlled system planned out. Otherwise, he'd be made peripheral and booted. But he can give people the tools to decide for themselves. In conclusion, the most basic, blunt thing he has to say is that the USGov is working with the terrorists (again). Secondly, it's not in America's interest to do this, or fight anyone's unclear, foreign war.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:25 pm
A Look Inside The Secret Deal With Saudi Arabia That Unleashed The Syrian Bombing
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-2 ... an-bombing

Unfortunately the Wall Street Journal had a pay-to-view article on this subject, but Zerohedge quotes a good chunk of it. A special meeting took place on Sept 11, 2014 between Obama's Sec of State Kerry and the Saudi Royals. It was the culmination of months of negotiations. The official end result: The USGov and Saudi Arabia would lead an attack on Syria in the name of fighting ISIS.

But the not-so-secret unofficial mission is to 1) set the stage for regime change in Syria, and 2) blow up competing terrorists that the Saudis/USGov don't like, so that their own terrorists can totally dominate. At this point, only they know who is really getting blown up, because we're in the dark.

There's possibly more going on too. Rumour has it that the Obama admin/Wall Street/CIA represents one large faction in the American Empire's fragmented leadership. The Pentagon and its major buddies, such as the Saudis, represent another faction. (The CIA vs Pentagon rivalry is age-old). The Obama side relented to Pentagon pressure to change course over the last few months, since its covert meddling proved to be scandalous and not wholly effective. So bombs will continue to fall, bad beheading videos may also emerge, more mercs will head to Syria, and US troops may hit the ground.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:36 pm
Suspicions Run Deep in Iraq That C.I.A. and the Islamic State Are United

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world ... .html?_r=2

It is a widespread belief in Iraq that the Islamic State, or ISIS or ISIL, is a creation of US intelligence. Numerous Iraqi politicians have said as much, including the recently ousted prime minister of the country.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:46 pm
Prince Turki Al-Faisal, former Saudi Arabian ambassador to the U.S., tells CBS This Morning Anchor Norah O’Donnell, he hopes the airstrikes that include Saudi planes against ISIS are the first step in ultimately removing Syrian leader Bashar Assad and does not see any reason why they shouldn’t send in Saudi ground troops if necessary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a5LjqQZcB8#t=65
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:49 pm
Syrian wars of proxy

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syrian-wars-proxy

Dr. As’ad AbuKhalil, lecturer and author, is a Professor of Political Science at the University of California


This is a good, succinct essay. The good professor identifies 8 distinct but overlapping conflicts in Syria. Most of the conflicts in this country have been instigated and maintained by foreign meddling. Arguably there would be no giant war if it were only an argument amongst the Syrians.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:05 pm
Another fake beheading video from ISIS

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/23 ... -japanese/

Some interesting info. Several US-friendly governments have proclaimed that the Japanese hostage video appears real. However, FOX News sides with the critics and experts by suggesting the video was staged inside using green-screen/ chromakey. Naturally, FOX also notes that, while the videos are staged, they believe they are still controlled entirely by ISIS (which most critics don't believe whatsoever).

A still from a second video supposedly shows the beheaded corpse of one of the Japanese men (who were rumoured to have converted to Islam, lol). Critics believe the video still is photo-shopped and not real.
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/0 ... ke-images/

Strangely this woman and her organization finds all the ISIS videos before anyone else does. Her background, politics, and connections are of interest to several researchers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqYSSjz_ ... 1422503916
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Katz

Mrs. Katz and her Israeli friends are so good at 'finding' terrorist videos that she has been known to publish them before the terrorists do. My goodness.

The release of that video coincided with a visit by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to Jerusalem, where he said said the ultimatum "is unforgivable and I feel strong resentment."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 17,00.html

As usual, the whole thing stinks. Lots of skepticism and cynicism on the internet, especially from many Japanese people.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:11 am
The logic leap between "the videos were filmed in studios using teleprompters" and "ISIS has not actually beheaded anyone" is truly astonishing.

Seriously, the Hulk couldn't make that leap.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:23 pm
Agreed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:08 pm
Let me help you guys with your mastery of logic.

1. The Western governments and their allies have said the string of orange suit/beheading videos hosted by Jihadi John are real, not green-screened and staged, and -- despite any proof whatsoever -- the men were absolutely beheaded (just sort of off camera, with fake looking pics later).

2. This very same bloc of governments are taking advantage of the videos to ram through more legislation, more aimless war, more spending. The target audience is the highly vulnerable, naive public audience.

3. In real life, as shown by real videos amply supplied on the internet, Middle East terrorists are very happy to make videos that graphically show their beheadings. There's no silliness, acting, green-screens, chromakey, and such. They behead and brag. It's disgusting and real. Whereas this new series hosted by Jihadi John from London with unconvincing men in orange jumpsuits is hilariously stupid.

4. So governments cite the videos as real and scary and the obedient media pumps out the visuals -- it amounts to good examples to deepen governmental interventions. Whereas several experts openly say the videos are not real.

5. If the governments were so righteous and objective and *not invested*, they would simply get their experts to say, yeah -- hey, we agree, it looks fake. But they're not doing that. Therefore, the shadow of suspicion falls on them for their irrational drama. Since these governments have a giant track list of lying and doing these covert ops, duh.... no wonder they're seen as the prime suspects.


The emotional impact and symbolism of the so-called Jihadi John Orange series beheadings is directed at the public. Whether the symbolism is intentional or not, I dunno. But in symbolism, to behead someone is to remove their rationality and ego. Dazzled with fear, the public is beheaded on a daily basis; the deceivers steal their rational minds; and steer them wherever appropriate because they've lost their skepticism.

The trouble is, as we can see from lots of online samples, many people aren't buying it and are instead using their heads.

Good luck, guys, with your royal rumble with ISIS. Canada is also sending over goons. I'm sure it will be just as full of crap as the big Al Qaeda super-duper war.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:18 pm
For context:
The fake beheading of the USAID/CIA indy reporter, Foley, along with the weirdness surrounding it:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2433

Let's hope Jihadi John can get back to London to cut some more rap songs again before hustling back to his green screen in... well, whatever fake desert he's supposed to be in.
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