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ISIS and the wars in Syria and Iraq

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:15 am
What are you talking about? Hey, did you hear that Obama got barbecue in Texas? He's just a regular guy!
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“Going After” the Islamic State. Guess Who is Behind the Caliphate Project?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/going-afte ... te/5401439

It just keeps chugging along, this giant steaming lie

Remember those frightened Gulf States -- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and the other disgusting dictatorships bankrolled by a global need for oil? Remember how the West saved them from Iraqi conquest back in 1990-91? The invasion that stupid Saddam was lured in to launching?

Well, with help from the USA, UK, Turkey, and Israel, the big money Gulf States were kind enough to create and apparently still steer ISIS or ISIL or IS or whatever it is today in 2014. It's the new Al Qaeda. It's the new reason to be wery, wery afraid. The new reason for bombs and boots on the ground. They're in Mexico. They're almost taking Baghdad. They're almost taking Saudi Arabia. They'll getcha in Europe. They have a dirty bomb maybe in a major US city. They have nifty high budg beheading videos!

And it's so manufactured that half a dozen mainstream newspapers have hinted that the whole ISIS thing is a contrived production.

IS or ISIL or whatever could be wiped out in a real operation lasting 48 hrs. The US military could do it lickety split, except that's exactly what the US leadership doesn't want. They want a long illusory, BS war.

I actually hope the Russians and Iraqis team up to get it done and foil the Western elite's plans.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:51 pm
Dorm, I'm not trying to dog you here, but you're just reading things in a way that fits your already-established beliefs. I ask for the "half a dozen mainstream newspapers" that "have hinted that the whole ISIS thing is a contrived production." Instead you give me a bunch of news sources that are either: 1) not mainstream at all (at least half of them), 2) are op-ed pieces, or 3) are actual respected news stories repeating the same story as other outlets via major outlets like Reuters, which is just reporting the contentions of a third party (and the counter-contentions of officials) in a "he said/he said" fashion. Out of all of these, I have read two that actually come close to hinting "that the whole ISIS thing is a contrived production." Both were op-eds. Neither was from a particularly "mainstream" source.

It doesn't necessitate that you're wrong in your assertions, but the fact that you infer something from a selected viewing of news stories does not rise to the level of any one of them "hinting" at something. A hint in a newspaper tends to be a pretty blatant thing. It usually involves the article saying something has been asserted by a credible source and not offering any counter to it. Certainly a newspaper is not hinting at anything in an op-ed, because it not sanctioning the voice, merely giving it a stage, and newspapers regularly post op-eds that disagree with one another. And of course, we are all well aware that any news story that is offered against your assertions will be explained away as part of the propaganda machine that hides the truth. We've seen this very clearly with the articles questioning the Foley beheading video, none of which actually questioned if Foley actually had been beheaded, only the veracity of the beheading depicted in the video. In fact they all went out of their way to point out that there was no reasonable doubt that Foley had been beheaded. You accepted their testimony on the faking of the video but explained away the same sources' testimony on whether or not beheadings had even taken place.

As for Obama being a figurehead, that still doesn't explain why the same people (his handlers, if you prefer) would work so hard to make clear that there was no terrorist threat only to come back and try to manufacture a new one. Or was Obama's change in language to "man-made disaster" just him going off script? Either way, it works out to more of the "eat the fish but spit out the bones" view of accepting enough of the facts that support the theory and blowing off the ones that cause you trouble.

If you want to convince the truly open-minded and informed, you're going to have to come up with better evidence. Or maybe, you could just be convinced yourself by the evidence that is at hand, no matter where it takes you, rather than try to fit it into your theories. I'm not trying to be difficult, Dorm. I just want better evidence.
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Darth, the news cited and a truck-load more paints a fairly damning picture. Obviously the news is not 'allowed' to say: This really stinks bad and we strongly believe the whole thing is manufactured. Everyone should get a pitch-fork. They are allowed to list certain controversial bits of info and hope they aren't censored, but they are forbidden from unifying the picture. That's up to the readers. Also, op-eds are fantastic ways for newspapers to get a msg across, but duck any responsibility. An intolerable op-ed with no facts is rarely published, especially regarding national security.

I think you have avoided the information and tried to peg me into a 'theorist' not working from any scraps of information. If you are among "the truly open-minded and informed" I'm failing to convince, please correct me as to what is really happening.

You can start by refuting the 8 pieces of information I listed, instead of putting up a wall of abstract. I wouldn't rely on hatchet defense pieces from the BBC or Time either. The 'mainstream news' is NOT really the be-all-end-all, since it's obviously compromised. It assists as well as obfuscates. I'd also like you to explain why half of those news articles don't come from mainstream organizations. The only one debatable is RT, and the article is by a famous academic.

I just mentioned that the situation is so bad that the mainstream news is really in a pickle, and has to admit there's really controversial, manufactured things happening. They can't deny it all. They have to explore some of this nonsense and expose some controversies lest they lose whatever credibility they still hold on to.


Anyway, follow the money, the weapons, the stand-downs. The answers are there, and I didn't "theorize" them. Of course ISIS is successful. They've been manufactured by a network of the most powerful and wealthy national forces on Earth.
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Even more I saw recently

US-Backed 'Moderate' Free Syrian Army Factions Join ISIS Terror Group
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014 ... rror-Group

This is the same Free Syrian Army that is sponsored by the CIA:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html

This the same FSA that has signed a non-aggression treaty with ISIS mere days ago:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/1 ... 14128.html
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During his testimony in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee, America’s top military official General Martin E. Dempsey admitted that the United States’ Arab allies in the middle east are funding ISIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA39iVSo7XE

Dempsey is being questioned by limp-wristed war-hawk Republican Senator Lindsay Graham. Graham is one of the many front-men of The War Party, a lawyer who always argues for stupid intervention everywhere, anytime. Dempsey quietly put a bullet hole in Graham's arguments, and spilled the beans. I don't know about Dempsey, though what little I've read about him in the past is that he's somewhat moderate compared to others around him.
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