ROGUE ONE--Spoilers on as of p. 14!

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I loved it. A lot! K-2SO was by far the best character. My biggest problem after reflection was how much it diminishes Luke's feat in Star Wars. Galen Erso's intentional design flaw requires him knowing someone could perform the feat, someone normal since the Jedi are gone. So when it takes Luke and the Force to accomplish the feat, now it comes off as "nah, it really didnt need Luke at all... any of the competent pilots could have accomplished it. Suddenly Obi-Wan being "our only hope" isn't really the case. Did having a Jedi and his young apprentice help? sure, but they weren't necessary.

That said, I still loved the hell out of this movie, and I can't wait to see it again.
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To be fair, the Alliance apparently thought any pilot could accomplish that feat as well, since they sent their pilots on that mission.

Also, it's been a few weeks, and most of us have seen it (even Heli), so I'm calling it:

SPOILERS ON!


So...

uh...

That there digital Tarkin. That was a thing. (I think I've watched too many videos on this movie to have anything more to discuss, for now at least...)
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I never put in my two cents. Despite my intention, I wound up getting taken to see it during my vacation. I'm just going to assume we're moving into spoiler mode, but I don't intend to drop a bunch here.

I thought it was pretty entertaining, but I'm definitely not in the "loved it" group. I appreciated what they were going for, but the characters were really lacking. I never felt any connection to anyone in the main cast, and the ending subsequently fell kind of flat.

Connection or not, though, I did find K-2SO quite entertaining, and a good distraction from the seriousness of most of the movie. And I liked a lot of the fanservice Easter eggs, as well. It was well shot and the action was good. Ultimately, though, it was missing the magic for me.
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My other gripe, which seems to be something most are celebrating, is the moral grayness of the film. Star Wars was created with a stark contrast between the good and evil sides, which was in direct response to the moral murkiness of the 70s cinema where anti-heroes ruled the day and Lucas set out to create a world were there was a clear cut good side and bad side. Now our good guys are assassinating people, murdering informants, etc. I hope that's a one off and not the norm for these new Star Wars films.
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I agree. I think Star Wars, ultimately, should be fun. Clear-cut good guys are fun. Rogue One wasn't fun.
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Darth Board wrote:To be fair, the Alliance apparently thought any pilot could accomplish that feat as well, since they sent their pilots on that mission.


Yeah, but, it was essentially a suicide mission. I'm sure every droid in the room put the odds of success somewhere around 3%. They still needed to do it because the alternative was assured complete destruction since the Death Star was at their doorstep. They didn't mount a planned and coordinated offensive the way they did for D*II, the Attack Run was a counter-offensive based on the new hope that this weakness could be exploited by one of them.
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The RLM review brought up two great points:

1. It should've been a heist movie, putting together a team of specialists to break into an Imperial facility to steal the plans (which I believe I mentioned to Darth before watching that video, so they must've stolen it from me). As it was, it's just a bunch of random guys who could have been anybody making up stuff as they go.

2. Maybe Star Wars isn't really that big of a "cinematic universe". If every movie has to tick off a bunch of fan-approval boxes, creativity will be limited.

Beyond that, I'm concerned about over-milking the cash cow. The annual movie thing is troubling, especially if everything has to fit all the fanservice in.

On a spoilery note, though, what kind of trooper was Jyn supposed to be when she was disguised? Death Star Gunner with escrima sticks? Where were those guys? Why not have some more martial arts combat? That was at least fun to watch. And why set her up as fighting with those and then give her some later in the movie and not have her use them? How about some kind of team-up battle with her and Chirrut?

Also, and I am not the only person to point this out, but what purpose does Stormtrooper armor serve? We've firmly established that it doesn't stop lasers, and now we know that a person with a stick can also take them out despite their armor. No wonder the Ewoks had such an easy time.
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Heli wrote:The RLM review brought up two great points:

1. It should've been a heist movie, putting together a team of specialists to break into an Imperial facility to steal the plans (which I believe I mentioned to Darth before watching that video, so they must've stolen it from me). As it was, it's just a bunch of random guys who could have been anybody making up stuff as they go.


Heist movie would have been cool, but this was a group of saboteurs and spies according to Prince Caspian. The method they stole the plans was rather blunt and less finesse tho.

2. Maybe Star Wars isn't really that big of a "cinematic universe". If every movie has to tick off a bunch of fan-approval boxes, creativity will be limited.


I think we'll see more creative freedom the further we branch out. This was the first "spin off" film, and one that takes place ending hours before Star Wars begins, so I could see them really putting in the fan service. I'm hopeful.

Beyond that, I'm concerned about over-milking the cash cow. The annual movie thing is troubling, especially if everything has to fit all the fanservice in.


the difference between this and marvel is marvel had 70 years of established character development to work with when they rolled it into the films. Star Wars has 6 movies. All the comics, novels and video games were trashed to start anew.

On a spoilery note, though, what kind of trooper was Jyn supposed to be when she was disguised? Death Star Gunner with escrima sticks? Where were those guys? Why not have some more martial arts combat? That was at least fun to watch. And why set her up as fighting with those and then give her some later in the movie and not have her use them? How about some kind of team-up battle with her and Chirrut?


Those were lit beacons for air marshaling. One of those guys is seen swinging the beacons around directing transports landing and taking off when they land on the base.

Also, and I am not the only person to point this out, but what purpose does Stormtrooper armor serve? We've firmly established that it doesn't stop lasers, and now we know that a person with a stick can also take them out despite their armor. No wonder the Ewoks had such an easy time.


at best, it's designed to look scary and intimidate, Luke calls it a "uniform", not "armor".

The only thing I could offer as a counter argument was the guy with the stick, Chirrut, had the Force with him.
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I think the big benefit of a heist movie is that it requires setting up the characters, at least a little, when you have the "we need somebody who can get past a super lock, so we should pull in This Character, because he/she is the best" kind of stuff. We got hints of who the players were, but nothing compelling.

The second spin-off movie is about young Han Solo. I'm not expecting tons of craziness. I may be wrong, but I'm expecting them to play it fairly safe. Then again, it's an established character we already like, so that's a plus. If the lead is charismatic, it could bypass the major problem I had with Rogue One.

To the point about the EU being steamrolled, I really wish they'd just go back to some of those ideas. I suspect they will at some point, if they're determined to keep up their pace.

I forgot all about the air marshal guys. Thanks for the reminder. I still think it was a waste.

The girl with the other stick, Jen, didn't have the Force, and she took out five or six Stormtroopers. Maybe the armor is literally supposed to be made out of plastic, and the 501st guys are dead on.
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Heli wrote:I think the big benefit of a heist movie is that it requires setting up the characters, at least a little, when you have the "we need somebody who can get past a super lock, so we should pull in This Character, because he/she is the best" kind of stuff. We got hints of who the players were, but nothing compelling.


I agree, and I see merit in that approach. I guess I just feel that the way it played out worked as well, because it was literally a desperation play. The Alliance went all wet noodle, and they said screw this, we go in or we die trying. With the help of the force and a little good fortune they crossed the Delaware and took out the Hessians. ;)

The second spin-off movie is about young Han Solo. I'm not expecting tons of craziness. I may be wrong, but I'm expecting them to play it fairly safe. Then again, it's an established character we already like, so that's a plus. If the lead is charismatic, it could bypass the major problem I had with Rogue One.


still annoyed they didn't use the look alike, sound alike guy.

To the point about the EU being steamrolled, I really wish they'd just go back to some of those ideas. I suspect they will at some point, if they're determined to keep up their pace.


I do too, I was never a fan of ALL the EU, but there were some very good aspects of it, and throwing them all out as policy seems wasteful.

I forgot all about the air marshal guys. Thanks for the reminder. I still think it was a waste.


sure thing. :)

The girl with the other stick, Jen, didn't have the Force, and she took out five or six Stormtroopers. Maybe the armor is literally supposed to be made out of plastic, and the 501st guys are dead on.


plastic, plastoid, plastic plastoid... let's call the whole thing off!
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